Analysis, Diplomacy & Negotiations, Elections in Donbass

Ukraine will not engage in dialogue with the DPR and the LPR

Original: Colonel Cassad
Translated by Gleb Bazov / Edited by @GBabeuf

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The President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko told the the 8th Kiev Forum on Security Issues that Ukraine will not engage in dialogue with representatives of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk republics (the “DPR” and the “LPR”, respectively). He stated, inter alia:

We must ensure fair elections. And we will conduct dialogue with the Donbass, but with a different Donbass, a Ukrainian one.”

The same position, but in even harsher terms, was expressed at the Forum by the Prime-Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. He is prepared to talk to the representatives of the Republics “only once they are behind bars.” “By the way, we have enough empty cells,” he added.

According to Yatsenyuk, his government will never deal with the current representatives of the Donbass. “We will communicate only with legitimate representatives of this region, and we want to conduct legitimate elections there,” said the Prime-Minister.

Poroshenko also stated that in Ukraine there is no internal conflict whatsoever. “We have no internal conflicts,” said Poroshenko. “On the contrary, Ukraine has now become more united than ever.”

I will do everything possible to ensure that neither language, nor faith, nor the questions of land, nor NATO, nor any other questions split Ukraine,” promised the President. “The second language in schools and universities in Ukraine should be English, not Russian.”

At the same time sociological surveys demonstrate that the attitude of the residents of Ukraine to the questions of the status of the Russian language and the course toward membership in NATO clearly split the country between the West and the East. Thus, according to the results of a study that took place in March, commissioned by several international companies and the Ukrainian Rating, 70-80% of the residents of the south-east of Ukraine named Russian as their native language, while, in the west, 92-97% chose Ukrainian. In Kharkov, Russian is used by 84% of residents, while in Ternopol, none of the respondents surveyed chose Russian as their native tongue.

The status of the Russian languages became one of those issues that split the country a year ago and became the trigger for the conflict in the Donbass, which has since grown into a full-scale civil war. Nevertheless, the President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, over the course of the year repeatedly claimed that only Ukrainian will have the status of a national language in the country. Several days ago, at an award ceremony for the winners of the 15th International Ukrainian Language Competition, named after P. Yatsyk, he once again emphasized that, in Ukraine, “there was, is, and always will be only one national language—your and my Ukrainian language.”

Earlier, the head of the Ministry of Interior, Arsen Avakov, voiced his support for the full closure of the demarcation line delineating the territory of the Donbass controlled by the Militia. “My positions is as follows: the demarcation line must be sealed completely. From everything. This is my radical point of view—in the Junta, that’s how we think. Walk, drive civilian passenger cars across, but no goods. Let them get their goods from Russia,” said Avakov in his interview to the media agency LigaBusinessinform. He believes that, in this way, smuggling in the military operation zone can be defeated.

Want an independent life? Want friendship with Russia? The Russian Federation is next door to you—make friends. Want to live in accordance with Ukrainian law; are you Ukrainians? Okay, then Minsk Accords: and our border guards take over the border with Russia. And we will deal with it in our own way,” said Arsen Avakov, the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Interior. (Tass.ru)

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It is not difficult to guess that such a position as adopted by the Junta impedes all attempts to reach a compromise with the United States in relation to Ukraine. After the failure of direct talks between the Russian Federation and the United States (the visits of Kerry and Nuland), the Junta deliberately adopted the toughest possible stance, which demonstrates the absurdity of all hopes for the fulfilment of the Minks Accords (even though all sides will no doubt continue to claim that everything they do is in line with the agreement). Essentially, as I have said on many prior occasions, the very logic of the conflict makes it impossible for the Donbass to return into the fold of the Ukrainian state. That is the root of the [US statements] about the “aggressive stance of the Kremlin” and the “difficult and important times.” It is becoming increasingly difficult to cover up the erupting war with diplomatic manoeuvres, as the conflict continues to devour people and equipment beneath mantras about “Minsk agreements” and the pointless counting of the number of Ukrainian bombardments.

The simple truth is that the Donbass will never again return under the authority of the current government in Kiev. The point of no return was passed in the summer of 2014. People like Bolotov, Strelkov, Mozgovoy, Bezler, and others at that time did more than enough to make the schism so deep as to ruin, in the attempts to mend it, all the hopes of “pro-unitarians,” “cunning planners,” and “Putin-surrenderers” that the Donbass will somehow return into the fold of the Ukrainian state. Naturally, it did not happen with “help” on the part of the United States and the Junta, because all logical constructions on the theme of the return of the Donbass were premised on the proposition that it is possible to reach an agreement with the United States. Even the Russian leadership was not free from these illusions and made frank concessions in attempts to tone down the degree of the conflict. It did not pan out. The United States is unambiguously determined to one way or another inflict a defeat on the Russian Federation. The Junta is an instrument of this policy, and, by analysing the behaviour of this instrument, we can see the direction in which the United States is pushing the conflict. The Russians in Ukraine have been allotted the role of untermensch.

That is why the war will continue, and the DPR and the LPR are destined to remain unrecognized state formations that cannot return to Ukraine, and which Russia will not integrate into herself. But the Donbass will never again be Ukrainian. Whether or not Poroshenko talks to Plotnitskiy and Zakharchenko has little bearing on this fact.

P.S. By the way, for those who occasionally reproach me for using the word junta in relation to the regime in Kiev—now even the Minister of the Interior has admitted that they are a Junta.

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23 thoughts on “Ukraine will not engage in dialogue with the DPR and the LPR

  1. I recognize Zakharenko and the Carpenter, but who is the lady with the weird facial tattoos?

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    Posted by JR | June 2, 2015, 22:09
  2. Reblogged this on susannapanevin.

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    Posted by susannapanevin | June 2, 2015, 22:14
  3. “People like Bolotov, Strelkov, Mozgovoy, Bezler, and others at that time did more than enough to make the schism so deep as to ruin, in the attempts to mend it, all the hopes of “pro-unitarians,” ”

    I can’t see where this opinion comes from. Rght from the start – after the Maidan – the Junta made the schism, immediately declared banning Russian, immediately began attacking Donbass, slaughtered people on busses returning to Crimea, etc…

    I don’t know what else, other than resist Bolotov & Co and the people of the DPR and the LPR could have done … well except roll over and all be killed.

    As I say, I have no idea what these people did to ruin anything. Things were ruined by Porky, Yats and especially Nuland/the Empire of Chaos.

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    Posted by gerryhiles | June 2, 2015, 22:42
  4. Reblogged this on gerryhiles.

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    Posted by gerryhiles | June 2, 2015, 22:43
  5. Poroshenko also stated that in Ukraine there is no internal conflict whatsoever. “We have no internal conflicts,” said Poroshenko. “On the contrary, Ukraine has now become more united than ever.”

    “I will do everything possible to ensure that neither language, nor faith, nor the questions of land, nor NATO, nor any other questions split Ukraine,” promised the President. “The second language in schools and universities in Ukraine should be English, not Russian.”

    DELUSIONAL.

    Anyway, good bye Minsk, thank God. It’s time the pretenses were done away with. There are enough lies swirling around this issue and pretending Minsk ever meant anything is absurd.

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    Posted by R_of_R (@R_of_R) | June 2, 2015, 23:18
  6. Poroshenko’s ‘best friend’ Canada’s Stephen Harper has announced he will be visiting later this week, before attending the G7. With the economy and currency melting down, and various rival Nazis snapping and snarling, some say Porky’s running out of cards to play and war is all that’s left to stop the torches and pitchforks with his name on.

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    Posted by John Gilberts | June 2, 2015, 23:42
  7. Reblogged this on leruscino.

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    Posted by leruscino | June 3, 2015, 07:32
  8. Read it

    Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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    Posted by Ralph Schultz | June 3, 2015, 08:30
  9. Sent to Canada and east europe,8500 retweets,just now

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    Posted by Ralph Schultz | June 3, 2015, 08:31
  10. As long as Poroschenko and his junta are in offce, there is no hope for PEACE. As long as Merkel is in office, there is no hope for PEACE. As long as USA (under whatever president) is in power, there is no hope for PEACE. But things are changing, and there is hope.

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    Posted by Dr. Heidrun Eckert | June 3, 2015, 11:33
  11. Gleb, will you please post the Ukrainian words (that is, including the context) that avakov used for ‘junta’, and also the (original) URL? Many thanks.

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    Posted by Ralph, in London | June 4, 2015, 11:44
  12. You do know that Ukraine fits in with the original neocon (jewish) wolfowitz doctrine & PNAC, and the 25 year plan the US has regarding the former Soviet states on its western side (with Ukraine being central to this plan), which nuland – the wife of jewish co-founder of PNAC kagan, which wanted clinton to remove SH back in 1998 – said the US had spent $5 billion (at least) on Ukraine? Which ties in with Poland’s (EU approved) Eastern Partnership? And American corporations like monsanto, cargill, deere etc having access to its land, and chevron wanted to frack there (temporarily suspended?), and biden’s jesuit trained son hunter on the board of Ukrainian burisma, not to mention the vatican’s plans for extended Europe and the Union of the Mediterranean? So it’s possible for the Lvov area to be assimilated by Poland, for the Donbass to expand westwards (following the rising discontent of much higher utility bills, and inflation, while remuneration falls behind) and the Ukraine may be no more or much smaller and weaker. Will be interesting to look back in one year’s time…

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    Posted by Ralph, in London | June 4, 2015, 12:01

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