Examining the Evidence

FINAL – Part I: Emerging Evidence Points to #MH17 Being a Ukrainian False Flag

Translated by Gleb Bazov
Combined Sources

July 17, 2014 – Examination of Available Evidence Manufactured by Ukraine

Video: BUSTED! Ukraine Caught Trying to ‘Frame Russia’ for Shooting Down Malaysia Flight MH17!

July 17, 2014 – Michael McFaul Speaks

July 17, 2014 – “Proof of Rebel Responsibility” Video Faked & Uploaded 1 Day Earlier

Video Originally Created and First Uploaded: July 16, 2014, 19:10:24

Vide Re-Uploaded to YouTube for Second Time: July 18, 2014 00:09:00

Original Source: Gmorder LiveJournal

The Shooting-Down of Boeing Was Planned By Ukies

Video: “Intercepts” Between Militia Commanders Manufactured by Ukrainians

On the video you can see a mix-up in timings, so people started digging, and voila – here is the first video (identical to the video now being offered as proof of the involvement of Militia): RGHost Download

At 1:09 the time of 17:32 froze

Looks like SBU [Ukrainian Security Service] operatives were in a hurry.

However, that is not all of it, by far.

Let’s look at the creation date of the video: 2014-07-16 19:10:24

The creation date cannot be changed in any manner, other than by re-creating and re-uploading the video at a future date.

Let’s look at the re-upload date: 2014-07-18 00:09:00

If this is not proof, then I have no idea what would count as proof.

NOTE: Adding or subtracting the suggested 14 hours, 10 hours or 4 hours difference (or any combination thereof) due to, respectively, California or UTC local time, from either of the timings does not fix the problem.


July 17, 2014 – CNN Claims Storm Diverted MH17’s Course, But Shown To Be False

July 17, 2014 – The Timing of News Indicates a False-Flag Operation by Ukraine

Original Source: Anatolii Sharii FaceBook – via Valentina Lisitsa (@ValLisitsa)


17:49 – A Source: A passanger aircraft was shot down in the Donetsk region

17:26 – Ukrainian SNBO [National Security Council] claims that the rebels have equipment that can shoot down planes at high elevations

17:23 – UEFA split Russian and Ukrainian soccer clubs in European Cups.

17:12 – Poroshenko is chairing a meeting of Ukrainian SNBO.


19 thoughts on “FINAL – Part I: Emerging Evidence Points to #MH17 Being a Ukrainian False Flag

  1. Storm? CNN didn’t even have Ukraine on the right place on a map a few weeks back.

    They are a junior achievement venture. Toadies for the White House.


    Posted by Bull Durham | Jul 18, 2014, 00:31
  2. Well, we all know who profits from this and who does not.


    Posted by Pushka | Jul 18, 2014, 00:35
  3. Hope the Air traffic controller guy can be found and is safe, he needs to get out of Kiev/Ukraine and get a video out so his job/timing/workplace can be confirmed.


    Posted by jp | Jul 18, 2014, 01:54
  4. > At 1:09 the time of 17:32 froze

    What’s wrong with this? That video is claimed to be a compilation of several mobile phone calls between the militia. One of those calls starts at 1:09, judging by “Yes, Sasha”. That call could have taken place at 17:32, and it’s less than a minute long, so why does the timestamp have to change? Even if it were more than a minute long, the timestamp can refer to the start of the conversation and not change. Why not?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not pro-Ukrainian. I am just trying to say the timestamp thing alone does not prove or disprove anything. And the creation date of the RGhost file can be anything – the file has been deleted, so it could well be Bieber’s latest hit, for what I know.


    Posted by KPbICMAH | Jul 18, 2014, 08:37
  5. This could almost be a smoking gun of the false flag attack with respect to LH 17. Some five hours after the loss of LH 17, the Ukrainian Security Service published a recording of alleged pro-Russian military officers led by commander Bes, who is based in Gorlovka (Horlivka), allegedly confirming that they shot down the Malaysian Boeing 777. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwtxBA1m9x8 The video was uploaded about 5 hours after the time of the plane’s crash–20:16 PM local time.
    The video tape claims that the call took place at 16:40 local time. But the plane was lost between 17:15-20 local time. The timing might be put in order if one assumes that, for some strange reason, the Ukrainian secret service decided to put their Moscow Time instead of the time in Donetsk. But this seems to be a stretch and does not appear to be warranted. It does not make sense for Ukrainian secret police to mark the time of their videos according to the time in Moscow.
    Moreover, and even more importantly, as the log of the video shows (see the photo), it was actually made the day before on June 16 at 19:10 PM.
    The first alleged recordings are at 16:40 and 16:33. Apparently local time. At the alleged 16:40 (still more than half an hour before the plane was supposed to crash), a person in the taped conversation claims that the plane was shot down “about half an hour ago.” At 17:10 the next call is made that is telling about allegedly finding a first casualty.
    Now, it is true that legendary commander Bes is based in Gorlovka. But Gorlovka is some 30 miles from the crash site in Grabovo. A Ukrainian officer was later quoted that the self-evidence has allegedly a battery of Buk missiles 15 miles way from the crash site, which still put it some 15 miles away from Gorlovka. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-crash-missile_n_5597014.html According to the tape, the site which was supposed to fire the missile is identified as a “block-post of cossaks” in Chernokhyne near Debaltzeve, Lugansk, which is about half way between Horlivka and Grabovo but further to the east away from the line between these two places. But blockposts are not exactly positions to be equipped with Buk missiles. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Chornukhyne,+Luhans'ka+oblast,+Ukraine/@48.2455097,38.4413813,11z/data=!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x40e01529f0c8c115:0xc8b113ebd586e188!2sChornukhyne,+Luhans'ka+oblast,+Ukraine!3b1!3m1!1s0x40e01529f0c8c115:0xc8b113ebd586e188
    Now what is also interesting is that July 17 Lh 17 flight was the FIRST ever flight which Ukrainian air controllers diverted directly over the Donetsk People’s Republic away from its usual routes which avoided both the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics either to the south or to the north. Not this time. On the previous routes of LH 17 see here (scroll down the page): http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2961-sbityy-malayziyskiy-boing-777-post-obnovlyaetsya.html
    Furthermore, Ukrainian air controllers made sure that the flight goes directly–precisely over Gorlovka (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/here-real-time-flight-path-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh-17), which happens to have the legendary self-defense commander Bes with whom the Ukrainian secret services have a whole history of especially acute animosity and accounts to settle. His name or codename is also one of the best known and most recognizable among the self-defense commanders right after Strelkov, Babay (who is now away), Mozgavoy and Khodakovsky. So, clearly, the Ukrainian junta also wanted to pin the blame not only on the resistance as a whole, but also on a specific person with an established name and fame.
    And what are the chances that out of all the places Ukrainian air controllers would send the plane just over Gorlovka and right by a place where they claim to have a knowledge about Buk missiles being stationed there? (Can anyone find any Buk missiles near Debaltzeve?)
    From the trajectory is then also clear (unless self-defense did have a functioning Buk missile system and, despite the expertise which is needed for operating such a complex system, they could not distinguish and recognize a big civilian plane) that LH 17 was almost certainly not shot by a Buk missile, but that it, indeed, had to be a Ukrainian fighter jet some 10-20 miles south-east of Gorlovka.
    In fact, self-defense has its own tape of a conversation of an unidentified Ukrainian jet pilot in the area exactly at the time when LH was shot down. It is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d65Adj4s5k
    Thus, if this was, as it looks, a setup and a false flag, special operation, one may also ask what plan, if any, there was about with respect the place where the aircraft would be crashing down. It is possible that the idea was that a successful hit would make the jet disintegrate in the air. However, with a big plane like this one, that’s not likely. In this respect, another good question to ask is how far is the crash site from the nearest Ukrainian position. That would also be good to know.
    Another interesting and relevant piece to the puzzle of LH 17 downed south-east of Donetsk: on July 15, the Kiev regime suspended its flights over east Ukraine after losing a plane. But then, in the afternoon of July 16, Ukrainian troops resumed flights of military aircraft over Donetsk and Lugansk, and especially over Saur-Mogila, which is relatively close to LH 17 crash site, a spokesman for the Ukrainian national security service reported. The flights were suspended on Tuesday after the downing of a transport plane in Lugansk Region. The resumption was confirmed by militia sources, which said airstrikes were being delivered near Saur-Mogila Hill in Donetsk region. The next day, July 18, LH 17 was directed by Ukrainian air controllers over the very zone where Ukrainian military aircraft were operating. http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680

    — Vladimir Suchan


    Posted by 1truenorth1 | Jul 18, 2014, 11:35
  6. You sir are a fraud, fueling conspiracies for the sake of it. If you have a sound theory then by all means publish it, but support your notion for the right reasons and not to ‘shit-stir’. MH370 aircraft registration was 9M-MRO and not MRQ. For that reason I can only view all your past theories as utter fabrication.

    NOTE FROM THE EDITOR: Ahem, whom exactly are you addressing? Where did you see any link being made between MH370 and MH17 in the blog post? I considered deleting your comment, but I will allow it to stand, if only to illustrate the drawbacks of indiscriminate trolling. Kind thanks for popping in.


    Posted by Golden truths | Jul 19, 2014, 08:31
  7. Golden Truth’s reference may have been to some theories floating online (not here) that MH17 (reg. no. 9M-MRD) may be the missing MH370 (reg. no. 9M-MRO) loaded with dead bodies and fake passports. Now that may be true or not, but apparently having the tail in Q or not having a tail in O changes nothing.


    Posted by KPbICMAH | Jul 19, 2014, 09:01


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